[Withdrawn] Effect command to specify finetune

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[Withdrawn] Effect command to specify finetune

Post by sk0 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:30 pm

I'm getting interested in microtonal music. It would be so nice if SunVox had an effect command for users to specify a note's finetune, with no need to create MultiSynths for each notes of a chord.
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Re: Effect command to specify finetune

Post by philipbergwerf » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:04 pm

A better solution is a module in which you can load .scl files so you are not restricted to octaves but completely free to load any kind of tuning. I made already a tuning block that can load tunings. It's under ~/sunvox/instruments/various/ inside the module you can load some presets by playing a pattern. It can also stretch the octaves...

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Re: Effect command to specify finetune

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Re: Effect command to specify finetune

Post by philipbergwerf » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:09 pm

Oh and since you are interested in micro tuning. I am too and I made a TET Tuner :)
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Re: Effect command to specify finetune

Post by sk0 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 4:45 pm

Actually I didn't mean I wanted to try a different tuning in a song, but to assign the very pitch/finetune I intend to a note to make a chord sound in some a bit strange way. I don't want to have so many MultiSynths for tweaking notes' pitches/finetunes nor many commands to modify MultiSynths' finetune.
Still I found your Tuning & TET module interesting while playing with them :)

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Re: Effect command to specify finetune

Post by philipbergwerf » Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:22 pm

You can do this using effect 11 and 12 but the names are a bit confusing. It sets a offset of the orginal pitch at the start of the note:)

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Re: Effect command to specify finetune

Post by sk0 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:40 pm

Wow I've thought them to be effect 1 and 2 with more subtle pitch designation, as their names sound like finetune... :0
I should've read the manual again first. Anyway, thank you for telling me that!

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Re: [Withdrawn] Effect command to specify finetune

Post by philipbergwerf » Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:55 pm

@Nightradio the name 'slide' implies that something is sliding/changing during the command. I think it's better to describe it as 'finetune pitch up' and 'finetune pitch down'. This way it's description is more clear to new users(and also to existing :) ).

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Re: [Withdrawn] Effect command to specify finetune

Post by NightRadio » Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:19 pm

You can do this using effect 11 and 12
There are pitfalls here...
Example: С5 .. 01 0011 0040
note С5 will be turned on first;
then its pitch will be increased by a semitone.
So always two commands will be sent to the module (initial note ON and the new pitch).
It's ok for most of modules, but not for Analog Generator: here you will hear C5 and very fast portamento up :)

Maybe we need additional effects?
Like 05 - finetune pitch up, 06 - finetune pitch down

the name 'slide' implies that something is sliding/changing during the command. I think it's better to describe it as 'finetune pitch up' and 'finetune pitch down'
It's worth discussing :)
from XM specification: Fine porta up / Fine porta down
from MOD specification: Fineslide up / Fineslide down

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Re: [Withdrawn] Effect command to specify finetune

Post by philipbergwerf » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:17 pm

Maybe we need additional effects?
Like 05 - finetune pitch up, 06 - finetune pitch down
Excellent idea! semitone divided into as many steps as possible ;)

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Re: [Withdrawn] Effect command to specify finetune

Post by philipbergwerf » Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:26 pm

I found out that disabling the 'smooth frequency change' option from the analog generator removes the slide effect so you can use effect 11 and 12 as finetuneeffects right?

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Re: [Withdrawn] Effect command to specify finetune

Post by NightRadio » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:23 pm

I found out that disabling the 'smooth frequency change' option from the analog generator removes the slide effect so you can use effect 11 and 12 as finetuneeffects right?
Yes it's true.
Also you can't use 11 and 12 as finetune commands for the Glide module - you will get the similar "fast slide" effect.

So here is my suggestion for 1.9.6:
the new pattern effects (column EE): 05 and 06 - raise / lower the pitch of the note (one semitone = 100 (256dec));
these effects only work if some note is specified in the NN column.

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Re: [Withdrawn] Effect command to specify finetune

Post by sk0 » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm

NightRadio wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:23 pm
So here is my suggestion for 1.9.6:
the new pattern effects (column EE): 05 and 06 - raise / lower the pitch of the note (one semitone = 100 (256dec));
these effects only work if some note is specified in the NN column.
Thank you for replying, and I'd love to have this :)

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Re: [Withdrawn] Effect command to specify finetune

Post by philipbergwerf » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:39 pm

NightRadio wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:23 pm
So here is my suggestion for 1.9.6:
the new pattern effects (column EE): 05 and 06 - raise / lower the pitch of the note (one semitone = 100 (256dec));
these effects only work if some note is specified in the NN column.
This way it will work exact as the finetune slider from multisynth! perfect! One thought: You could make it also one effect. XX for lower and YY for tuning up. Because 100 would be the same as one semitone up :)

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Re: [Withdrawn] Effect command to specify finetune

Post by NightRadio » Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:37 am

You could make it also one effect. XX for lower and YY for tuning up.
Yes, but if we will use the whole field XXYY - we can also specify the transposition.
For example: 05 0280 - finetune +50% and transposition +2
Although I'm not sure if this would be helpful to anyone?.. :)

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